Recently I have been thinking about running a small sideline buisness in eve..now bear with me, because I havent trried this yet so im not 100% sure it would work, but if it does, it would be a fun way to piss off ninja salvagers.
I would pick a region know for ninja's, then advertise my "anti ninja service" for 10 mill a mission, if anyone decides they want me i buy a cheap t1 frig insured (a punisher most likely), fit it for speed and DPS then get them to fleet me so I can warp straight to them.
I would then sit by a station away from the fleet while they run the mission..should a ninja show up, i get them to lock him (stop's them cloaking) and get within 20 km i then warp in drop fleet and pop them before Concord pops me..basicly a suiside gank with morals!
As most of the ships people use to ninja have paper thin tanks I think I could pull this off, while it would cost me about 3-4 mill a time (i'd use good guns) i could be popping ninja's saving the mission runners 2-3 times that, and if im poping covert ops ships with nice probe launcher's ..it will really upset them.
you could even offer 5 mill back if your not needed and make 5 mill for nothing..
If anyone has tried this or has any veiws or advive id love to hear from you as i think this would be a LOT of fun and am seriously thinking about giving it a go next week.
I heard there is going to be a change in the insurance mechanics of T1 ships soon.
ReplyDeleteSounds like a reasonable service, best of luck to you.
ReplyDeleteNot sure about the price but I am sure corps would be willing more so than individual players to take up your services.
My God. Come to ichoriya. The little bastards are running amok there. Fucking pissing me off. I manage to get the ignorant ones who actually steal from my wrecks right in front of me, but most get off the hook. I feel like this methodology needs refining, but I would pay for your services during an AE or equally large mission fo sho.
ReplyDeleteOk guys some good feedback so far! The insurance thing shouldn't make a huge diff as it only amonts to about 290k, and yes I had in mind working for corps or players running large missions that would make the expense worth while.
ReplyDeleteI have decided to trial the plan next week and would be interested in talking to a Corp that runs hi sec lvl 4 or 5 and has trouble with ninjas, for the test period I will waive my fee I ask only 2 things first that I keep what I kill to help fund it and you act as a referance in the future if contacted.
Send me a ingame mail if your interested.
Uhm what about your sec status ?
ReplyDeleteAstral,
ReplyDeleteYou may want to look at filtering the adsense ads you have displaying on your feed. The one I go on this post was for an EVE ISK Macro bot.
As I'm sure you know, macroing is against the EULA and CCP frown on it from a great height, so its probably best not to be seen to be encouraging it. :)
Just a freindly heads up.
Sounds like a good service mate. Only word of caution is around Ninja packs. I've found that they are more than happy to get corp agro and keep it going for a while.
ReplyDeleteIf you spun up alts with a specific Gank build for the work, then life is good. Security rating gets wiped clean with a fresh alt. Corp agro does not impact your mains play time or corp.
Cheers
EVE SOB
Have removed all ads as filtering them seemed a pian, thank you for the heads up :)
ReplyDeletesob, I am aware it may draw a war dec so I probably will use Alts I'd I go for it properly, also I keep missing you ingame keep meaning to introduce you to our Corp, you may find it would suit you
as for mr anon, the sec hit won't bother me as I run enough missions my self to ballence popping a few ninjas a month, might make the ninjas out there think twice If it catches on
Ok well i thought you would run this on a "100 Dead Ninjas a day "-way :)
ReplyDeleteBtw, the most annoying thing for a ninja salvager is a Marauder..
i tried ninja salvaging for some time, just to know how it feels, and a kronos salvaging all wrecks before you get to them is awful(at least to me)
:)
Btw i like that idea ;D
i once did a defense force for miners in highsec, cleaning all belt rats all the time so the hulks can use mining drones isntead of attack drones ;D
Good plan, but if you had a service in there that would keep the aggro timers up, - maybe some expensive bait - and then you could keep popping them should the return. Sort of a "follow the ninja" game.
ReplyDeleteAll good mate. Sent a note ingame from ZombiNutz to your recruting folks. See how that goes.
ReplyDeleteWhen you gank stuff it can lead to corp. agro with out a wardec. Meaning the Ninja's can bring in corp mates to help with out concord getting involved or your own corpies are now reds and valid for the Ninjas.
So alts are a good way to go mate. Either way sounds like a fun way to get some PvP practise in and make some ISK. Good luck with it.
Cheers
EVE SOB
If you suicide gank them they can't extend your agro timer if you weren't the one doing the mission.
ReplyDeleteSo pilot A is running the mission, Ninja A flies in to salvage and then Astral A warps in and suicides Ninja A. Concord them pew's Astral A. Astral is then flagged to the ninja's but they just reship and come out again in 1-2 minutes while Astral has to wait 15 before he can undock again barring a army of alts.
It's doable, but debatable as to how well it would work. Also I would suggest flying arty Thrashers or Blaster Catalysts to guarantee a kill vs a t1 frig that might not kill the ninja in time. Concord response time in 0.5 highsec is around 15 seconds.
Better would be to have a few missioners out there, keep overwatch in a fleeted cov ops. Wait for a ninja to take some of the loot, then warp in and kill him while also warping your BS or whatever is running the mission back to the station and then wait out aggro while watching for them to come back and see if it is worth it or not to kill them. Most of the time you are going to find them coming back in a gank boat of some kind with backup ON THE WAY to rep them.
There isn't a very good in game mechanic to defend the solo missioner against the pack of Ninja's. Run missions in a fleet and then fit for pvp and you might have better luck, that or lol marauder and salvage as you go!
I'll do one better...I scan down your mission, and you simply pay me not to salvage your mission when I show up...think of it as a 'carbon credit fee'. I'll do it for 5mil...half price!!!
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A dessie (thrasher is best) may be better for doing suicide ganking, even if it's against frigs. Even a cheap fit thrasher has a considerable alpha, especially when squeezing on 280s.
ReplyDeleteSnaps to Logan Fyreite for pointing out the biggest flaw: one gank isn't likely to stop a ninja, as they'll just grab another ship, plus you'd be flagged to the ninjas, who usually have no objection to grabbing a gankship and returning the favor. A fleet of alts might prove useful, but that might prove tricky to coordinate.
ReplyDeleteMore on the point, if ninja shows up in your mission and starts taking stuff, you're usually far better off giving up by blitzing the mission and getting another one: it's more isk-efficient than going back and trying to loot what's left. Serious looting—that is, anything beyond picking up a few choice bits—is only really worth it if you can do it fast and efficiently; it's only marginally profitable to picking up and blitzing another mission for bounties. So you need to adjust your price point accordingly. Perhaps 1M now, 1M later, with a mil or two bonus if ninjas show.
That said, I'd be quite curious to see if anyone goes for it. You might have a tough time garnering sufficient trust for the deal, but it would be fascinating to see if an anti-ninja protection service would catch on.
I hope it does, so I wish you the best of luck.
Oooor mission runners can just pay me to stay out of their missions....
ReplyDeleteMy fees are reasonable. I have references.
Sadly, some of those references are 'less than stellar'
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